tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8972595838138383249.post3717896164718779439..comments2023-04-16T15:37:07.662+01:00Comments on Adventures In Antimisandry: The Troubling Misandry of Buffy The Vampire SlayerByronhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02091777148066841336noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8972595838138383249.post-87255804928082305762020-08-22T08:54:30.394+01:002020-08-22T08:54:30.394+01:00It is relevant to note here that the main producer...It is relevant to note here that the main producers and series creators of these shows are men: Marc Cherry, David E. Kelley, and Darren Star respectively.<br /><a href="https://templaterepublic.com/" rel="nofollow">TemplateRepublic</a>Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16681502209227837816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8972595838138383249.post-88649844389284571462014-03-06T10:26:46.934+00:002014-03-06T10:26:46.934+00:00But doesn't.
And then everything goes back t...But doesn't. <br /><br />And then everything goes back to normal and she is light relief again until the entire show ends. My point was she murders thousands of men and is accepted and considered cute. Whereas the Bad Man Warren kills one woman (well, two eventually) and he is treated like the most evil creature to ever breathe air - he deserves to be flayed alive. If you swop the sexes of these two characters and observe how they are treated, and your own reactions to how they are treated, you cannot help but note a pronounced double standard, and one which is reflected at every step of the entire show.<br /><br />I haven't gone back to Buffy for a few years now, but I watched it very well when I did.Byronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02091777148066841336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8972595838138383249.post-16351356698285846952014-03-06T09:26:12.889+00:002014-03-06T09:26:12.889+00:00I think you didn't watch Buffy very well if yo...I think you didn't watch Buffy very well if you think Anya is regarded as engaging in "humorous" violence. On the contrary, Buffy regards her as evil and dangerous and suspect through the entire series - ultimately culminating in Buffy's unfettered belief that she must kill Anya when she massacres a fraternity that viciously bullied a young woman by one of the frat boys inviting her over and dumping her in front of the frat and them all mocking her.<br /><br />Anya massacres the fraternity and Buffy decides she must kill her.HABABABABAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13396406208838858318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8972595838138383249.post-24529730324526821532012-04-12T23:34:24.003+01:002012-04-12T23:34:24.003+01:00Thanks!Thanks!Byronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02091777148066841336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8972595838138383249.post-58762793302580227002012-04-12T20:03:36.546+01:002012-04-12T20:03:36.546+01:00I truly have enjoyed reading this post and the fol...I truly have enjoyed reading this post and the following comments. It is refreshing to read your viewpoint on my favorite show.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09850391145374267501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8972595838138383249.post-90245271893156963062011-10-29T03:17:56.459+01:002011-10-29T03:17:56.459+01:00"girls greatest defence against boys is that ..."girls greatest defence against boys is that Boys Don't Hit Girls"<br /><br />That's falling rapidly by the wayside as girls are now assaulting boys frequently. The sick part about it is that they rely on the boys not hitting back as they are 'girls'.<br />I recently had two lesbians attack me in a club and they were definitely aiming to do me serious damage. My crime was talking to one of them at the bar. It took me about twenty seconds to realise these girls were going to seriously fsck me up if I didn't do anything. I warned them verbally that I was about to respond if they didn't back off and was spat on and punched in the face yet again. I responded by breaking one nose with a headbutt and pulling the others arm out of its socket. The police arrived arrested me and after viewing the tapes dropped all charges and arrested the girls.<br />If you are a guy and you are attacked by women and at risk of physical damage to your person fight back and don't pull your punches.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8972595838138383249.post-21359734780891834772011-09-08T15:51:04.289+01:002011-09-08T15:51:04.289+01:00' I understand that in the 'season 8' ...' I understand that in the 'season 8' comic book Buffy starts a girl-on-girl relationship too. I guess she's finally seen the light.'<br />It's just a one nighter with another girl.<br /><br />Angel comes back (look up Twilight). They get busy and somehow spoil the world/open another dimension etc. Sigh. Good storyline though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8972595838138383249.post-18503088150201120062011-09-03T21:43:27.241+01:002011-09-03T21:43:27.241+01:00Yohami,
Yes it does.Yohami,<br /><br /><br />Yes it does.stormynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8972595838138383249.post-69268854531808035542011-09-03T16:52:14.718+01:002011-09-03T16:52:14.718+01:00Stormy,
Harry Potter doesnt walk the Hero path, t...Stormy,<br /><br />Harry Potter doesnt walk the Hero path, that´s what Im saying.Yohamihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12627262670568039248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8972595838138383249.post-68981590484570889732011-09-03T16:19:21.503+01:002011-09-03T16:19:21.503+01:00@yohami:
That's how the traditional hero tale...@yohami:<br /><br />That's how the traditional hero tales go. Even Star Wars follows that pattern on some level.<br /><br />The hero faces a series of trials but gets through them with the help of friends and others. They are lucky. Because they are the hero. The chosen one.<br /><br />AT the end it's just him and the enemy. He doesn't get fucked in the ass by evil. He defeats evil, and purges himself of the evil within. How badass is that?<br /><br />Your story interpretation is cute but it's largely inaccurate. The story pattern I descrabed has been around for ages and has been covered in The Hero with a Thousand Faces by Joseph Campbell.stormynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8972595838138383249.post-42957676085749248112011-09-01T00:54:51.066+01:002011-09-01T00:54:51.066+01:00There's another school of thought (to which I ...There's another school of thought (to which I myself subscribe) that the real protagonist of the Harry Potter series is Hermione Granger and the real hero is Neville Longbottom. <br /><br />Heh funny reinterpretation. I'm a Snape girl so I have an entire different reading of the events of the books, specially about the Slytherins.<br /><br />I can imagine that HP is not realistic for some males, god knows that half sci-fic books written by men have men with boobs and vaginas and no real women, but then maybe there are not a lot of real women in USA for them to write about them at this point who knows...<br /> <br />I'm going to start reading YA books for boys written by men (Bram Hambric and Danger Boy to be exact) and see if I can spot the differences with Harry. Will report later, hopefully in my own blog :)Stephenie Rowlingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8972595838138383249.post-82260880104051565472011-08-29T12:03:10.616+01:002011-08-29T12:03:10.616+01:00I have a friend who said that Harry Potter isn'...I have a friend who said that Harry Potter isn't a real boy (or rather, isn't realistic as a boy character), but what a grown woman with no sons imagines a boy is like. <br /><br />There's another school of thought (to which I myself subscribe) that the real protagonist of the <i>Harry Potter</i> series is Hermione Granger and the real hero is Neville Longbottom.Bellitahttp://bloggingbellita.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8972595838138383249.post-40996123653160895342011-08-27T16:47:12.792+01:002011-08-27T16:47:12.792+01:00Excellent article.Excellent article.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8972595838138383249.post-28113179114096717702011-08-25T21:40:55.939+01:002011-08-25T21:40:55.939+01:00That would seem to be Joss Whedon's take on th...That would seem to be Joss Whedon's take on this - I understand that in the 'season 8' comic book Buffy starts a girl-on-girl relationship too. I guess she's finally seen the light. <br /><br />Don't remind me, the whole cliché that strong girls end up attracted to other girls. Because unless you share some men's appetites you are not that strong...ugh!<br /><br />@Yohami<br />For all the pure love between Tara and Willow that didn't saved her from dying. Joss Whedon doesn't believe in happiness on love either way. <br /><br />Interesting take in HP being a girl. I don't know if I agree, after all Harry is a kid raised without a father figure, his masculinity could had been growing.Stephenie Rowlingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8972595838138383249.post-2018372191451120822011-08-25T21:15:46.488+01:002011-08-25T21:15:46.488+01:00Never got into the Potter saga but that's a mo...Never got into the Potter saga but that's a most interesting take on it.Byronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02091777148066841336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8972595838138383249.post-34061038200472377772011-08-25T21:05:11.933+01:002011-08-25T21:05:11.933+01:00Harry Potter doesnt have the regular misandry / my...Harry Potter doesnt have the regular misandry / myso thing. There are both female evil and good characters, female and male prodigies.<br /><br />I used to not understand Harry though. He doesnt have anything special, all the stuff either happens to him or he gets away from situations because someone else is whiteknighting him.<br /><br />At the ends he surrenders defenseless and gets fucked in the Ass by the evil. Then I got it.<br /><br />The Harry Potter character is a girl. <br /><br />The whole story is about this girly innocent HP character and the marvellous garden around her. Strong forces from evil and good will come torment her and want something from her. Great heroes and villains will come to her rescue or to her dimiss. She possesses something sacred that is worth protecting and destroyed.<br /><br />Her virginity?<br /><br />At the ends, HP even destroys the fucking phallic wand. She doesnt want the power. He just wants to have a family. Leave her alone and have kids. Get things back to normal = happy ending.Yohamihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12627262670568039248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8972595838138383249.post-70342399272572927102011-08-25T20:55:20.076+01:002011-08-25T20:55:20.076+01:00LOL I forgot about that. Riley struggled, was weak...LOL I forgot about that. Riley struggled, was weaker, was on steroids, and frequented vampire whores because he wanted to be "needed". He ended up being weak and repulsive. All ashamed he needed women to want him.<br /><br />Buffy doesnt need a man, you know.Yohamihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12627262670568039248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8972595838138383249.post-67412629820635653102011-08-25T20:51:27.257+01:002011-08-25T20:51:27.257+01:00Hey Yohami, grand to see you here.
"I think ...Hey Yohami, grand to see you here.<br /><br />"I think there was one strong male though, some guy who was a SWAT and was Buffy´s ex?"<br /><br />Riley. Yeah, he was but then as soon as we know his secret & he starts seeing Buffy, he is shown to be struggling because he is weaker than her, then he leaves The Initiative & becomes sick from stopping taking the steroids they were feeding him, then he starts frequenting vampire whorehouses to let himself get fed on... just a long slow falling apart. So for most of his time on the show he would very much come under the category of 'INADEQUATE'. <br /><br />"BTW the most evil guy in Dollhouse (another excellent story) is called Alpha."<br /><br />Best character too!<br /><br />"lesbian love must be the true love."<br /><br />That would seem to be Joss Whedon's take on this - I understand that in the 'season 8' comic book Buffy starts a girl-on-girl relationship too. I guess she's finally seen the light.Byronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02091777148066841336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8972595838138383249.post-64872300398650115642011-08-25T20:16:27.570+01:002011-08-25T20:16:27.570+01:00BTW the Willow / Tara relationship is the only tru...BTW the Willow / Tara relationship is the only true, pure love there is in the series. <br /><br />Makes sense right? how could you have pure, true love with a man, if men are either inadequate or evil? lesbian love must be the true love.Yohamihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12627262670568039248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8972595838138383249.post-35950913921886218742011-08-25T20:13:33.872+01:002011-08-25T20:13:33.872+01:00I used to be a big Buffy fan. The script was so go...I used to be a big Buffy fan. The script was so good. So good. Too bad the misandry would make it unwatchable for me now. <br /><br />I think there was one strong male though, some guy who was a SWAT and was Buffy´s ex? <br /><br />BTW the most evil guy in Dollhouse (another excellent story) is called Alpha.Yohamihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12627262670568039248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8972595838138383249.post-26230036888639418792011-08-23T16:25:37.411+01:002011-08-23T16:25:37.411+01:00I'll probably get banned for this...oh well
...I'll probably get banned for this...oh well<br /><br /><br />I think you're no worse than feminists for looking for hidden misandry. There are a lot of books that I read that I could easily see feminists going crazy over, becuase they're "misogynist." Modern novels too. (Read Homer & Langley, seriously, read it). In all likelihood, the feminist agenda in Buffy is to have a female hero, a "strong woman." I don't think the men are evil to show that men are evil, but to show that Buffy, though a woman, is strong, and can take on men. Basically they created a female hero and made her a little overboard. IMHO, I prefer female heroes that gain strength from their femininity and compassion (ie Candy Quakenbush from Abarat) but whatever. I don't know any girls who watch Buffy, ironically, but almost all my guy friends do. WTF? So much for misandry...<br /><br />In the typical archetype of a hero's tale, everyone's going to flutter around the hero. Because they are a HERO. Look at Harry Potter, or the Inkheart trilogy, or LOTR. They are three series that follow the typical hero's tale more or less. Also have similar endings (Well, I don't know about LOTR, but Inkheart and Harry Potter do...heh).<br /><br />Harry Potter does have a lot of different characters that fit different molds. But there is no question of evil being evil. Voldemort doesn't have any motives, any humanity. In fact, he's hardly human from splitting his soul.<br /><br />The thing with hero's tales is that they follow the normal dynamic.<br /><br />1) Ordinary boy/girl receives a higher calling (letter from Hogwarts). They also usually have a marking that shows that they are better in some way (lightning bolt on forehead).<br />2) They complete a series of tasks with the help of others and luck. They have an older mentor (Dumbledore). <br />3) The mentor dies. <br />4) The hero is left to fight the villain one on one, and at the end, he will win, because good only wins over evil.<br /><br />Every hero's tale is going to have people worshipping the character. That's because they're a fucking hero. And they're the only ones who can defeat an all powerful villain.<br /><br />And it's not sending a message to pick fights with people twice your size. People aren't fucking stupid. I'm not going to carry a wood stick around and actually expect to shoot magic from it, anymore than I'll expect to defeat zombies the day the apocalypse comes the way Alice does in Resident Evil. It's just fun to watch a hot chick kick ass. Seriously.stormynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8972595838138383249.post-38829766624834844782011-08-22T22:29:10.981+01:002011-08-22T22:29:10.981+01:00Wonderful comment I loved Buffy but I agree the ma...Wonderful comment I loved Buffy but I agree the males all had problematic portrays. I most say that I prefer Spike over Angel all the time, mostly because I can't get pass the idea that Angel as a human (Ian) was a good for nothing alcoholic womanizer, then a murderous sadistic vampire and magically given a soul by the gypsy curse he becomes a good man???!! He was born with a soul and he didn't do any good with it, where all this came from?I don't know I liked him, but he was not my favorite. <br />Now Spike, from mama's boy poet with a terrible luck with women, possibly a virgin to William the bloody as vampire to the Spike we know and love. I totally preferred him :)<br />I know I'm weird like that. But I could say Spike born a good man, and go back to that Angel...not so much but you know from HUS that I can't stand womanizers so that might be it ;).Stephenie Rowlingsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8972595838138383249.post-65171661930428202612011-08-22T00:56:39.355+01:002011-08-22T00:56:39.355+01:00Oh and what about when Dru and Spike. Running off ...Oh and what about when Dru and Spike. Running off with a Chaos demon. She likes the bad boys lol.<br /><br />I did a post about Angel a while ago.<br />http://lilylivinglife.wordpress.com/2011/04/18/a-proper-love-story-with-a-vampire/<br /><br />I always loved the bit when he came back and was in the mansion and was all vulnerable.Lilyhttp://lilylivinglife.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8972595838138383249.post-53985624722654811632011-08-22T00:53:33.650+01:002011-08-22T00:53:33.650+01:00Thanks.
It tok me a little while to get into Buff...Thanks.<br /><br />It tok me a little while to get into Buffy but when you do that's it :-) Spike and Dru were the best.<br /><br />If I were to blame anyone for Faith I'd blame women, her alcoholic mum and her evil watcher.<br /><br />Funny that Dru went to Prague. A working glass girl from London in Victorian times. Ok she was Catholic but Ireland would have been a lot closer!Lilyhttp://lilylivinglife.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8972595838138383249.post-51684223785631763682011-08-21T20:13:55.097+01:002011-08-21T20:13:55.097+01:00Always good to see you here, Old Man.
I really ha...Always good to see you here, Old Man.<br /><br />I really hated Buffy when I first saw it too, thought all my friends had gone mad, then gradually got hooked myself. It does start quite weakly - the first season's a bit 'monster of the week' - but after that it went from strength to strength. By the fourth season, which is when it first got its claws into me, it had become as original, well-written & well-acted as pretty much any film out there. <br /><br />Maybe you should do a piece on any good non-misandric children's films/shows you come across while watching with the young 'uns?Byronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02091777148066841336noreply@blogger.com