Thursday, 27 June 2013

Why I Need Men's Rights

An MRA by the name of Oratorasaurus recently posted this admirably comprehensive piece that deserves a far wider & better readership than the fetid cesspits of Tumblr from whence it flowered. One of the commenters there called it 'a factual nuclear bomb', & that about sums it up. Read, ruminate & redistribute:
 
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There are a number of feminists arguing that the solution to men’s issues is more feminism. All issues that men face are due to patriarchy and toxic ideas of masculinity, which feminism fights. Therefore feminism is the answer. 

In fact, the complete opposite is true. Feminists fight AGAINST men’s rights.

Here are some examples to prove my point:

Father’s rights group want shared parenting (equal custody) to be the default if both parents want custody and neither parent is unfit. They feel that men should not be punished for being men, and that women should not be awarded custody to their kids simply for being women. Currently women are awarded primary custody almost all the time, even if the husband was the stay-at-home Dad and the woman was the breadwinner.

Feminists fought against this. You can read NOW’s own statement here. Also note their usage of anti-male lies, i.e. “fathers are abusive, don’t give them custody.” That is from 1997, but still remains valid today.

Men want protection against false rape allegations. They feel that a man’s life should not be ruined simply on the allegation of a woman who may be a vindictive liar. Currently, a woman can accuse a man of rape for no reason, and the man’s name is splashed in the paper and his life is ruined. So, they fought for laws granting men anonymity until charged with the crime of rape—not convicted, just charged.

Feminists fought against this, causing it to fail. Also see here, the London Feminist Network campaigning to defeat the proposal.

“The London Feminist Network is a campaigning organisation uniting London based feminist groups and individuals in activism.”

Men want an end to the justice system favouring women simply because they are women, and giving men harsher sentences simply because they are men.

Feminists fought against this, arguing that no woman should be sent to jail, even women who had murdered multiple people.

Men want equal treatment when victims of domestic violence, and to not be arrested for the crime of “being male” under primary aggressor policies.

Feminists fought against this by trying to suppress evidence showing that half of domestic violence is done by women, by threatening the researchers with bomb threats, death threats, etc. Modern, younger feminists are doing it as well.

And sadly, they were successful in this effort of propaganda. For decades, and continuing today, violent men are (rightfully) convicted and punished by the state, while violent women are left to freely terrorize and harm their partners.

The feminist definition of domestic violence has skewed arrest and prosecution philosophies, resulting primarily in having only male batterers criminally pursued.
Men want female rapists to be arrested, charged, and convicted with rape. In Western countries, women are rarely punished when raping men, due to the biased legal system. In some countries, women cannot be punished when raping men, since rape is defined as a male-perpetrated crime.

Feminists fought against this in India, arguing that “there is a physicality [in] rape” and that it would make things “more complicated for judges.”

Feminists fought against this in Israel, claiming that changing the law would result in men filing false rape claims.

Men don’t want to be thrown in jail because they lost their jobs and temporarily cannot pay child support.

Feminists fought against this, trying to lower the amount to $5000 before a man is guilty of a felony for not paying child support. If a man loses a decent-paying job, he will now be a felon, go to jail, lose his right to vote, AND be unable to find future jobs—if he cannot regain an equal-paying job within a few months.

Men want equal economic support and help from the government. When the recession hit, male-dominated fields like construction lost millions of jobs, while female-fields like education and healthcare gained jobs. So the government proposed an economic stimulus for those fields.

Feminists successfully fought against this, arguing that it was discrimination to support men, and caused the government to give money to women who didn’t deserve it.Hundreds of professional feminists complained against the “sexism” of helping men (who had lost jobs) and not women (who had gained jobs).

As you can see, the claim that feminism fight for men’s rights is a blatant lie. Don’t believe any feminists that say that. Feminists fight for women’s rights. That is a good thing. Feminists also are happy to harm men’s rights, as shown above. That is a bad thing. Feminism is about female privilege, not equality.

Some may argue that these cases of feminists harming men is not “representative” of feminism. I ask you: Are there any cases of feminists helping men? No. Yet, there are many cases of feminists harming men.

It is reasonable to conclude from these facts that feminism fights to harm men.



In 2008, a law was passed in England and Wales that allowed long-term domestic violence victims who killed their abuser to be charged with the lesser charge of manslaughter, but this only applies to women. Disregarding the fact that women are just as violent in domestic partnerships as well as dismissing the victims in domestic violence that are gay and trans.

In California and Montana, a woman can name any man she likes as the father, he gets a letter in the mail, if he does not prove he isn’t the father within 30 days—(suppose the letter gets lost by the USPS?)—he is now the father and must pay. He cannot contest it. And DNA tests to prove paternity are not considered proof by the courts.

Then there are the Primary Aggressor laws that were put into place due to VAWA, which results in the man being arrested even though 50% of domestic assaults are mutual, that women are 80% more likely to use weapons during domestic assaults, are more likely to kick, bite, slap, throw objects, and hit with their fists during domestic assaults, and that there is no support for the idea that women only use violence to defend themselves from physical violence.

Or the number of women who falsely accuse a man of rape, who would be sent to prison for 10+ years if convicted, and yet the woman only gets fined or a slap on the wrist.

There is also the gender bias in the Probation Departments:

A higher score on the Probation Assessment Tool (PAT) means a recommendation that could lead to eventual dismissal of charges. A lower score means probation or lockup, not to mention the juvenile delinquent tag. [Judge] Hunt claims PAT routinely rewards girls with 14 extra points for gender alone, while boys get 0.

Proof of courtroom bias against men.

Then there are studies that show women who fail to pay child support are incarcerated only 1/8th as often as men with similar violations.

There are women’s only colleges and these are protected by federal law. But men-only colleges are not allowed in the US.

The Federal criminal sentencing guidelines struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court in 2005 required that males and females who commit the same crime and have the same prior criminal record be sentenced equally. Using data obtained from the United States Sentencing Commission’s records, we examine whether there exists any gender-based bias in criminal sentencing decisions. We treat months in prison as a censored variable in order to account for the frequent outcome of no prison time. Additionally, we control for the self-selection of the defendant into guilty pleas through use of an endogenous switching regression model. A new decomposition methodology is employed. Our results indicate that women receive more lenient sentences even after controlling for circumstances such as the severity of the offense and past criminal history.

Teen boys who commit a crime are 46 times more likely to be charged and arrested than teen girls who commit the exact same crime.

In the Western world, men are oppressed equally, if not greater, compared to women. You may find that hard to believe, but the facts below speak for themselves.

1. Women are treated better in all aspects of the legal system. For instance, women receive lighter sentences and a higher chance of acquittal, simply for being women.

2. Men are significantly more likely to be the victims of violent crime (of which rape is included) than women.

3. Despite domestic violence being equally committed by women, for the most part only male perpetrators are arrested:

4. The feminist definition of domestic violence has skewed arrest and prosecution philosophies, resulting in having mostly male batterers criminally pursued, and female batterers left alone.

5. It is legal to circumcise male babies against their will. In some places, laws have been passed which forbid any attempts to make male circumcision illegal. Meanwhile, female circumcision is completely illegal, even though some types of female circumcision are equivalent in harm to male circumcision, and other types (a symbolic prick to draw blood) are non-harmful.

6. Men comprise 95% of workplace deaths.

7. Men commit suicide at over triple the rate that women do.

8. The vast majority of prisoners are men.

9. Men are doing worse in all aspects of the educational system, from kindergarten to university.

10. Men who are falsely accused of rape can have their names published and their lives ruined even if they are not convicted or charged - their accuser is protected and is likely to face no punishment, or a light one.

11. Reproductive rights. Men have none. Simply read this story.

12. Parental rights. Men have virtually none. See below.

A woman can name any man she likes as the father, he gets a letter in the mail, if he does not prove he isn’t the father within 30 days—(suppose the letter gets lost by the USPS?)—he is now the father and must pay. He cannot contest it.

A boy who is the victim of statutory rape must pay child support to his rapist.

A man who is raped while unconscious must likewise pay child support.

A man who fathers a child and wishes to take custody may have his child adopted out against his will and essentially kidnapped

13. The overwhelming majority of homeless are men.

14. Despite men’s need being arguably greater than women, government spending to help women is 10 to 100 times greater than that to help men. That figure is unrelated to medical spending.

15. In 2009/2010 it was $1,516,460 toward men and $57,562,373 toward women. In 2010/2011 it was $3,740,800 toward men and $48,331,443 toward women. In 2008/2009 the province dedicated $561,360 toward men’s resources and $98,983,236 toward women’s resources. (figures are for British Columbia, Canada, but representative of Western society).

16. Female-owned businesses get free government money for literally no reason other than being a woman (i.e. all other factors are equal, same size of business, same income, etc. etc. but the owner’s gender is different = money or no money.

17. On some airlines, men were banned from sitting next to kids on airplanes, simply because they were men. Why? Because men are pedophiles, obviously. This ban remains on some airlines, such as Air New Zealand.

18. Under a recent federal directive, men are convicted of rape in university campuses if the investigating board finds that the chances they committed the rape are at 50.00001% or greater.

19. The DOE policy in practice: Caleb Warner was accused of rape and expelled from the University of North Dakota, then his accuser was charged with filing a false report. He remains expelled as of June 2011.

20. Selective service. Enough said.

Pretty sure there’s more, but I’m getting tired.

You will notice that I have not even touched “social discrimination” such as a group of women, on a popular talk show, cheering and laughing about a woman who cut off and destroyed a man’s penis simply because he was divorcing her. Or gender stereotypes forcing men to work to their deaths, treating men as predators and pedophiles, that sort of thing.

That is because I recognize that though social discrimination is bad, ultimately you still have choice and agency. People can mock you for being a male who likes sewing, but ultimately you can still choose to do it or not. But that pales in comparison to actual oppression, where you genuinely have no choice about the matter.

Note the numerous examples of governmental and legal discrimination against men.

These are examples of real discrimination, where there is literally nothing you can do about it. Not “discrimination” where women do more housework.

Most of the discrimination against men described here is government-enforced discrimination, which is involuntary, non-consensual, and inescapable.

For instance, if you are a male victim of domestic violence, you cannot simply choose to walk into a government funded men’s shelter - they don’t exist. You cannot choose to call the pro-male police who fairly punish female batterers; there is only one police, and they are likely to arrest you if you make the call.

In contrast, a lot of discrimination that feminists discuss is what I call societal discrimination, which is voluntary, consensual, and less significant.

Feminists state, as evidence of discrimination, that women do more unpaid housework due to societal norms. Even if that is true, given that surveys are biased and do not include male work like car repair, exterior house repair, etc. that is not discrimination since women are choosing to do more housework. They are choosing to be involved with men who do less housework, and choosing to tolerate such a state. They make that choice freely, without coercion. That is why it is not discrimination.


• I need men’s rights because when she changed her mind the next day, I went to jail for 5 years
• I need men’s rights because I was the victim of abuse but nobody believed me
• I need men’s rights because I am less likely to go to college, and if I do, I will make less money than my female contemporaries
• I need men’s rights because the president sees the shrinking number of men in colleges across America as “a great success”
• I need men’s rights because people question if I am a predator when I am alone with my child
• I need men’s rights because a man’s appearance, height, and weight has a greater affect on his income than it does for a woman
• I need men’s rights because saying “it’s impossible to discriminate against men in our society” allows people to discriminate with impunity
• I need men’s rights because traditionally masculine characteristics are virtues not flaws
• I need men’s rights because the likelihood of my death coming by suicide is four times higher than it is for women, though I receive little support
• I need men’s rights because it is not considered bigoted or sexist to deny me a male safe space at my college by those who have possessed their own safe spaces for decades
• I need men’s rights because it is assumed that a meeting of men in a male safe space is automatically going to devolve into hateful sexism and violence
• I need men’s rights because broad gender-wide slurs against men are socially accepted
• I need men’s rights because my life, career, reputation and connection with my family can be easily destroyed by a single, false and anonymously whispered accusation
• I need men’s rights because when women stumble blame rests on society, but when men stumble it is their fault
• I need men’s rights because in my physically demanding career, I am expected to do much more work for “equal” pay
• I need men’s rights because it is fine to call me a “dick”, a “cock”, or a “prick” on the street or on television; a woman must never be called a “cunt”
• I need men’s rights because talk-shows think it’s funny if I am wounded or sexually mutilated by a woman
• I need men’s rights because while the rape of a woman is properly regarded as a crime, the rape of a man is funny
• I need men’s rights because mutilation of male infants is considered normal – and those arguing for the protection of male infants from mutilation are regularly slandered as anti-semites and bigots
• I need men’s rights because my sexuality is routinely characterized as violent pathology, rather than as a natural part of my human identity
• I need men’s rights because women assume it’s my fault if I am assaulted by a woman
• I need men’s rights because people think it is irresponsible to have me work around children
• I need men’s rights because I have the right to the same sexual sovereignty given to women
• I need men’s rights because I believe that the feminist idea that a woman in the United States is equally oppressed as a woman in Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia is absurd and insulting
• I need men’s rights because I should not be ashamed of my sexuality
• I need men’s rights because women who find me unattractive will shame me, can call me creepy for politely interacting with them, and they will be praised for this cruelty
• I need men’s rights because I was sexually harassed by several drunk women twice my age and everyone at the party thought it was funny
• I need men’s rights because my size and strength is commonly used to pretend that I am violent, which I am not
• I need men’s rights because if I am small or weak doesn’t mean I have a Napoleon complex
• I need men’s rights because I have the right to associate with other men without legal action forcing me to allow women, too
• I need men’s rights because if I am assaulted by my spouse, and I attempt to seek help, I risk arrest, imprisonment and life-long censure – even if I do not defend myself, even I am seriously injured while she is untouched
• I need men’s rights because I earned my accomplishments; they were not given to me by a fictitious masculine conspiracy
• I need men’s rights because I have a right to be a father for my own children
• I need men’s rights because, as a man, I am much more likely to be physically assaulted than a woman
• I need men’s rights because I will be chastised as a coward, and a failed man if I do not sacrifice my life to save a woman in a time of crisis
• I need men’s rights because laws exist that demand harsher penalties for men for the same crime
• I need men’s rights because I have no lobbying voice in congress;
• I need men’s rights because, as a man, I am more than 9 times more likely to be killed at work than a woman
• I need men’s rights because I am more likely to die young, and much less money is being spent on my health problems
• I need men’s rights because, if I am killed in an accident, people will care less than if a woman or a child is killed. News readers make this clear every time they utter the phrase “women and children”
• I need men’s rights because society believes that my life is worth less than a woman’s
• I need the men’s rights movement, because I am a human being.

And finally, I need the men’s rights movement, because when I attempt to address any of these issues, my co-workers, my government, my media, my peers, my family, and the larger society I am a part of rises in unanimous voice to condemn me as a monster – simply for claiming my humanity.


- See more at: http://oratorasaurus.tumblr.com/post/40998585103/discrimination-of-men-facts#sthash.59sHr3zJ.dpuf  
http://oratorasaurus.tumblr.com/post/42207573181/why-mens-rights-activists-are-needed#sthash.AtQZHAXC.dpuf
http://oratorasaurus.tumblr.com/post/48845216537/potatoxprincess-but-what-about-the-men-yes#sthash.6GOmL9Al.dpuf
 http://oratorasaurus.tumblr.com/post/50147759527/correct-for-every-one-innocent-man-in-jail-there#sthash.sBT2mfyK.dpuf 
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